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I Am Grayson Bell, Founder Of Debt Roundup, And This Is How I Work

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Grayson Bell

Over the last few weeks, I’ve been emailing and interviewing the top writers (e.g., the founders of Budgets Are Sexy, The Broke And Beautiful Life, Frugal Rules, and Modest Money) in the personal finance community. They’re a wonderful, supportive group of people. I’d encourage anyone that’s struggling to make ends meet to reach out for support and guidance from them.

Today, we are fortunate to have Grayson Bell of Debt Roundup. He’s a leading writer in the field, and is a total success story. He came back from $50,000 in credit card debt and lived to tell the tale! I’m happy to share this 5th interview with all of you. Thanks, Grayson!

What inspired you to begin DebtRoundup.com?

I had just made my last payment on my credit card debt. It was over $50,000 to start and I was super excited to pay it off. After the payment, I figured I could share my story with others. My personal story is just a little different because I racked up debt from starting and running a business. It turns out that many enjoyed my story.

How did people (friends, family, etc.) react when you first started?

My family knew about it right after I started it. My wife supported me through the whole thing. Since I have always been someone that worked with online ventures, they weren’t surprised at all. My friends did get a little jolt when I told them. They always thought I had my financial life in order. They were wrong!

What was your experience with design, code, web work prior to starting your site?

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Screenshot of Debt Roundup

I taught myself how to code when I started my e-commerce business. I have been doing it for close to 10 years. I actually offer coding and design tweaks to many other bloggers because of my experience. That is one part of my business that I am trying to grow.

What advice would you give to those thinking about starting their own site?

Just do it. Starting a blog is awesome, but know that it is a lot of work. If you want to become successful, then understand that it is a time commitment. I would also suggest that anyone looking to blog get setup on a real domain running WordPress. That is the real way to blog and grow. I have a great guide on how to start a blog on my site.

How do you make money from your site?

Wait, you can make money blogging? OK, just kidding. I make money in a variety of ways, which include affiliate promotion and Google AdSense. I make the most of my money freelancing for other sites, which found me from my blog.

What do you think you’ve learned from your readers and fans?

This is the best part about blogging. Connecting with the readers is a true experience. I love writing something and then getting feedback from my loyal readers. The biggest thing I have learned is to keep my mind open when it comes to how I manage my money. There are so many different ways to handle your finances that it can be mind-boggling. I really enjoy seeing how others deal with their money.

How can somebody in lower incomes best overcome financial hurdles and prosper?

This is an extremely tough question to answer. The main thing I can say is to have a desire to make a change first and foremost. If you don’t truly want to make a change, then you never will. Take it upon yourself to gain more education. Knowledge leads to opportunities, and opportunities lead to lifestyle changes. I have come across many that started out in lower-income brackets and have worked their way out and now thrive. These people were extremely motivated to start.

Who are your financial role models?

I am not the type of person that likes to focus on role models. No one is perfect and no one has all the right answers. For this reason, I don’t dedicate my time to following one person. I learn about money from the people I interact with on other personal finance blogs as well as my own. I guess you can call them my role models.

What personal finance sites do you read?

These days I don’t get to read much, but when I do have time, I like to read Budgets are Sexy, Frugal Rules, Making Sense of Cents, and Club Thrifty.

What else would you care to share with the readers of Frugaling?

First, thank you Sam for including me in this interview series. I am honored. Secondly, if you really want to make a financial change in your life, then go do it. Action leads to results, so don’t be afraid to take action and find opportunities.

The true power to make a change starts and ends with you.

Want to read more interviews like this one? Read the entire interview series here!

Filed Under: Interviews Tagged With: Advice, Blog, Blogging, credit cards, debt, Debt Roundup, Financial, Founder, How I Work, loans, Payments, Personal Finance, Website, writer

The Debt Breaking Point: A Student Reforms His Budget

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If your budget looks anything like this truck, you’re in trouble.

As a student, we are presented a nearly blank check in the form of student loans and financial aid packages (aka, more student loans). It can be hard to resist taking out more than you actually need. But once you open the intravenous drip of federal funds, it can be hard to quit it – hard to reduce your liabilities.

A close friend of mine confided in me that he was broke. The credit card debt had taken over. It wasn’t supposed to work out this way. He had student loans, but he knew better. Something had happened; sort of inexplicable, really. His expenditures soared, but the income was stagnant.

After realizing his budget couldn’t right itself, he scrambled to find help with friends and family. Fortunately, they supported him financially and he’s been fixing his broken budget. The following are some excerpts from our conversation (via email), as he’s learned a lot about what drove him to this level.

Romantic relationships and money

Our conversation ran the gamut, but for a moment, he focused on the impact of relationships and money. Implicitly, there’s a pressure as man (whether there should be or not) to treat and offer to pay – to be a provider.

I like the thought too about expectations, the impact on relationships (if one partner has to suddenly cut back). Part of my expectation (related to gender role socialization) has made it tough for me. I’m so used to being able to buy nice things for Susie, to pay for her dinner, to treat her to nice surprises (fuck, even for little things like buying flowers).

He ran out, and in sharing this with his partner, she was surprisingly accepting, supportive, and helpful. It can be difficult to admit budgetary defeat, and the longer it goes unnoticed, untamed, and denied, the deeper the hole can become. Here are some things he learned from confronting and sharing this realization:

…She’s been great about the whole thing. I think she’s honestly relieved a bit. She’s been much better at being frugal than me (more self-disciplined and better at handling money) from day one. I think she’s been very aware that marrying me means joining with my maelstrom of ego-driven impulse buys, not effortfully considering the true cost (long term) of my purchases, whether I can afford things in reality, and my staggering student loan debt.

Dinner Budget Student Loans Debt
Shopping and going out can be easy – too easy.

Last May, I realized I was sinking, and attempted to change everything because I didn’t want my debt to destroy a loving relationship. Seemingly, by confronting and asking for support from others (emotional and/or financial), the way back can be made easier. My friend decided he needed to start from scratch and analyze the budgetary gaps where money was disappearing.

The sink is shipping… How do I take back control?

For me, I had a similar experience to your 7 day challenge. I had so many little expenditures I didn’t realize (holes in the hull of my “finance boat” if you will). I had far less variety in food while I was getting the hang of it. I made rice & beans and had it for like 6 meals. I changed a few things up, would add cheese or salsa. I would wrap it in a tortilla or just have in a bowl. And I would intersperse a McDonald’s dollar menu purchase to balance it out. But it was tough feeling like I’d failed. Tough having to tell myself no, you can’t have it. I think it helps knowing I can’t “cheat” when I have these either-or decisions to make.

As he traveled through the joys of cutting back and realizing what needed to go, the budget was pretty clear; all or nothing, he had to change. The spending couldn’t be sustained. The credit cards were maxed. The student loans were tapped.

When I had literally $0 mid-way through December, I started to realize what had to be done. And magically, I was able to change my expectations, get a roommate, cancel many unnecessary things (gym membership, no more buying expensive proteins, no more consumer reports, got Comcast to lower my cable bill, etc). I’ve been able to set up a budget and stick to it. I’ve been able to track every expense, because I finally HAVE to do this. Years of attempts and failures, but finally having “skin in the game” lead to success.

Changing, fixing your budget is more difficult than it sounds

To spout out the mantras and trite cliches that simply say, “Change your budget to take in more than you spend,” can sometimes be more difficult than it sounds.

Adjusting my budget wasn’t a small change, it’s a giant lifestyle change that’s hitting nearly every area of my life. I needed to change my workout routine since I cut my gym routine. I have to get a roommate and change my living situation. I have to get used to rarely eating out. I have to change leisure time since I can’t really afford 20$+ to take Susie and me to the theater. My choice was to bottom out with no money in May again, or finally get my shit together. And for now, I’m on the get your shit together path.

Like many who’ve participated on this site, asked me, or debated online, the line between frugality and simply stingy/cheap is sometimes a gray area. Being cheap can sometimes elicit a value question.

A big question a lot of this leaves me with is how to be frugal without being cheap. I think there is some overlap, but that they are different. Frugal to me means cutting back, often not being fully satisfied at the reward of more savings. Cheap to me often reflects a self-interested style of frugality. In my mind, I think of friends who would leave little to no tip at restaurants, try to get everyone else to pay for them, continually try to ask “are you going to finish that.” As I’m making huge changes, maybe I’m trying to find a way to stay congruent with my values in the process.

By sharing my friend’s hard lessons learned and insights along the way, I hope it gives you a window into a world. What you do with that window is yours.

Special thanks to my close friend and confidant. Really appreciate being able to share your growth and story with my readers. All names have been changed, but you know who you are!

Filed Under: Loans Tagged With: Budget, cheap, Credit Card, debt, financial aid, Frugal, graduate school, loans, management, money, relationships, student, Student Loans

5 Rules To Follow Before Accepting Student Loans

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5 Rules To Follow Before Accepting Student Loans

The “Award”

Every year of graduate school, I’ve been “awarded” $16,000 in student loans. Without hesitation, I’ve accepted nearly the full amount (despite financial destruction and crisis). At the beginning of this year, I decided to seek support. Full of misconceptions, misguidance, and falsities, I decided to step into my financial aid office for help. When I left, I realized mistakes that had already cost me thousands of dollars. Why hadn’t I done this sooner?

Despite feeling financially literate, I was continually making poor financial choices. I hadn’t ever read or been educated about student loans. Despite the fact that you must sign an agreement to pay student loans off in a certain period of time, something about it just didn’t compute. I blindly accepted them as the reality of an education. No formal class in primary or secondary or post-secondary school explained these complicated financial instruments that could affect my life for decades. Absolutely, some of the responsibility falls on my shoulders for this self-imposed, willful ignorance.

Student Loans Are Not Your Friend

Student Loans Debt Money To Burn GIF

Applying for Federal student loans is easy. Federal aid is disbursed two times a year (once in the fall and once in the spring). Before receiving aid, students must fill out FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid). Fortunately, for graduate students like me, it’s easy enough. I have no contributions coming from parents and no extra income. The application takes about 15 to 20 minutes each March.

Understanding the consequences of student loans is obsequious at best – bordering on impossible. As I’ve stated, “I’m convinced that students (me included) are not able to accurately calculate and convert a bucket of student loan debt into a monthly payment – with compounding interest – on a salary that doesn’t exist yet.” Repayment plans are only the beginning, and the depressing reality is that you could be well into adulthood before you’re done.

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Photo: Nazareth College

After meeting with financial aid counselors, I came away with 5 rules that you must follow before accepting student loans:

1. Make a budget

This can be a daunting task. Detailed, informative budgets take time and honest critiquing – sometimes by close friends and family. My budget took me about three to four hours to complete. After diving through receipts, account statements, and credit card payments, I created a solid list of must-haves. These include: rent, utilities, food, car loan, car insurance, health insurance, dental insurance, gas, and leftover student fees and tuition. In total, my monthly budget sits around $1500 for everything necessary to keep my current standard of living. There’s a deficit each month, and that’s where student loans come into the picture. The key is to have this self-effacing, honest, frugal budget in hand when you talk with a financial aid counselor (see rule 2).

2. Talk to a financial aid counselor

This is a lesson I learned the hard way (having lost thousands of dollars to interest): Talk to your financial adviser at school to help strategize your student loans. Despite a lot of information being publicly available, they’re resources with years of experience. Trust their expertise and come with questions. How can I reduce my amount of aid? How can I better balance my budget? What do repayment plans look like for the amount of debt I might be taking out? You pay their salaries with your student fees – take advantage of it. It was in my conversation with a counselor that I discovered a trick to student loans that could’ve saved thousands.

3. Divide disbursements across the semester

Once you’ve created a solid budget and discussed your potential financial situation with your counselor, it’s time to come to a solid number. This next academic cycle, I’ll be taking about $12,000 less in loans. That leaves me with $4,050 for the 9-month year, which will disburse about $2,025 (less a 1% origination fee from the government) per semester. Here’s where I messed up in years prior: If you ever underbudget or overbudget you can “reactivate” a loan and adjust the value to a more appropriate level at no added cost. So, what does this mean for you? Well, if you disburse your semester funds ($2025 in August and January), the clock will be immediately running on your debt. For me, that’s a 6.8% interest rate slapping me across the face and keeping me awake at night. The key is purposively under-budgeting. Let’s say your budget needs to account for $4,000 in August disbursement and $2,000 will be needed around late November. Instead of taking out $6,000 all at once, request a reactivation and increase the student loan later on the semester. Otherwise, this large chunk of funds sits in my savings account (likely making an abysmal amount compared the government’s fees) going unused until later on in the semester.While the 1% origination fee will still apply, this will save you thousands of dollars in interest (because the 6.8% only applies to what is currently disbursed) over the course of your education because you won’t have money sitting, waiting to be spent on your monthly budget.

4. Ignore intriguing, teaser rates from private companies

In a brief period of desperation to try and reduce the strangely abhorrent Federal rates for aid, I looked to private companies that were teasing me with rates just above prime (~3.5%). Despite the initial appeal, these are deeply disturbing loans for people that don’t have guaranteed funding opportunities upon graduation. Unlike Federal loans, private companies do not offer deferment and forbearance options. If you aren’t making as much as you expected or don’t have a job, the government will work with you on repayment. If this occurs with private loans, you’ll be swimming with bankruptcy notices and calls from debt collectors. Stick with the government.

5. Apply for departmental and/or institution-based scholarships

While I wrote about applying for $50,500 worth of scholarships in 70 minutes, these online opportunities are inundated with applicants. The likelihood of winning one could easily be compared to the lottery. The reality is that you’d be better off looking for scholarships at your local institution. Applying for these scholarships is a more straightforward, open process. Usually, they require a personal statement of interest, transcripts, and FAFSA information (to consider financial need). Larger universities tend to have a variety of merit and need-based scholarships and they’re worth applying for as soon as possible. If you are awarded a scholarship, you can immediately contact financial services and reduce your loan award!

Some of these rules and tricks can be complicated. Before changing your budget, student loans, and/or disbursement schedules, go to your financial aid counselor. Their help could save you thousands of dollars; heck, it only took me 15 minutes to realize everything I was doing wrong.

Filed Under: Loans Tagged With: loans, tax calculators, taxes

Who Are Your Financial Role Models?

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Here are my three major role models that inspire me to continue to write about frugality, save money, and pay off my student loans:

I’ve always looked to role models for inspiration, hope, and comfort. In high school, I watched CNBC anchors and admired people like Jim Cramer for their expansive knowledge of the markets. Dreams of Wall Street and financial gain motivated me to graduate high school; all while investing in stocks and different sectors between class periods. I loved having and making money.

When I entered college, I realized that money alone felt meaningless. I lost the drive to become an investment banker or financial analyst. Alone, I would continually feel like giving back – that I wasn’t doing enough. Shortly after entering school, I switched to psychology. There, I sought out motivated students and leading faculty in psychology. Meeting and working with these inspiring people led me to graduate school.

In the past, as you may notice, these role models were oriented towards my future career paths. Now, as I’m on a solid career path, I’m looking for new goals and people to provide support in this journey. Financial goals outweigh many others at this point: To pay off nearly $40,000 in debt (shared between student and car loans). The Catch-22 is that I’m in graduate school and still accruing debt. I’m experimenting with some odd-ball income sources to stem the tide, but the interest keeps gaining.

These days I’m looking for new models that work to keep me financially fit and spiritually active. To me, being frugal is about minimizing waste, reducing expenses, and maximizing my income. I’m a firm believer that this is a vital piece of the puzzle. If you want to accomplish any goal, seeing and talking with those who’ve accomplished similar goals is important research.

Here are my three major role models that inspire me to continue to write about frugality, save money, and pay off my student loans:

1. Leo Baubata, Zen Habits

Twitter: @zen_habits – Website: ZenHabits.net

Leo Babauta is the creator and writer of ZenHabits.net. The site grew to become a leader for buddhist thought, organization, getting things done, peaceful wisdom, and removing clutter from your life. I follow Leo on Twitter and subscribe to his RSS feed.

He calmly explains the delicate intricacies between inner peace and reducing the urge to buy. One of his most provocative new articles is about “A Year of Living Without.” In this article, he outlines a year of month-to-month challenges where he removes things he regularly uses (e.g., coffee, alcohol, Internet access, and cell phones).

Leo is a tremendous role model because of his own journey tackling debt and becoming a wealthy individual – spiritually and financially.

2. Joshua Fields Milburn and Ryan Nicodemus, The Minimalists

Twitter: @TheMinimalists – Website: TheMinimalists.com

Joshua and Ryan are the founders of The Minimalists. Both left jobs and lifestyles that modeled the idea of success. They were climbing social ladders and fighting for the American dream. Their spending, like many, escalated with income. This lifestyle inflation led to a cycle of overspending and overworking – never getting enough.

As the two exited the traditional working world, they took to the ideas of minimalism and simplicity. Eventually, they founded their website and have been writing short stories ever since. For me, they are role models for both writing and minimalism. They model their stories (articles) after no expected length – some short and some long.

Joshua and Ryan are leaders in the simplicity movement, and their continued work inspires reductions in my own life.

3. Philip “PT” Taylor, PTMoney.com

Twitter: @PTMoney – Website: PTMoney.com

Philip founded PTMoney.com in 2007. He’s the most financially experienced of my role models. As a Certified Financial Planner (CPA) and founder of FinCon (the financial bloggers conference), he embodies a spendthrift personality with an admirable entrepreneurial spirit.

His website is continually updated with new, strong content that actually helps people become financially savvy. From investing to saving more to earning what you deserve, PT and his fellow writers help people reach their financial goals.

Beyond this writing and business prowess, at a personal level, I’ve been shocked by PT’s kindness and willingness to help new bloggers like me. He’s already featured two of my articles on his site, too.

Who are your financial role models? Who and what inspires you to save and earn more?

Filed Under: Make Money Tagged With: analyst, cnbc, debt, Finance, inspiration, loans, money, role models, saving

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